KSB Work in Progress

So I started trying my hand at painting. I have not really done much, it took me 30 minutes to do this and its not the best to be honest. But hey, I am actually trying!

Here is a shot of my Kriel Stone Bearer and 3 of his Scribes.

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Its not the best picture, I have yet to really figure out how to take em, but its the best I have done. The runes on the Stone are purple, and I am going to fix the blotch on one side (you can’t see it)

But yea, here it is!


Madrak List

Ok so after playing 2 500 point games with Grim, I am really not feeling him. I like him, in theory, but he just doesn’t fit my play style at the moment. That style of course is AXE TO FACE! So, I started tinkering with a Madrak list.

So here is what I came up with. Sadly, I took Mulg out and replaced him with a regular Mauler.

Faction: Trollblood
Points: 497
Model Count: 14
Victory Points: 18

Madrak Ironhide
Troll Axer
Troll Impaler
Dire Troll Mauler
Fell Caller
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes [4] (0 added)
Trollkin Champions [5]

All I am missing from this is the Mauler. I can pick that up next week on Payday, and thus have a solid looking 500 point brick list. I kind of like the feel of this list. Now I could take Mulg instead, but then I got to ditch the KSB and I end up with 10 points left over and I am not sure how I feel about that. This is what the Mulg list looks like:

Faction: Trollblood
Points: 490
Model Count: 10
Victory Points: 16

Madrak Ironhide
Troll Axer
Troll Impaler
Mulg The Ancient
Fell Caller
Trollkin Champions [5]

I am really thinking I prefer the list with the Mauler. Sides, the Mauler is still AWESOME looking. Any suggestions/comments?

New Player Introductions – Results!

So my friend Dan got to play. First game of course was against me, and sadly I missed the comments you all made on my previous post >.< I am totally full out fail. So in his first game I told him to feel free to ask me questions, ask my why I was doing things, and I would happily explain. He then told me to not go easy on him as he didn’t want to get a “false sense of hope”. Dan is a strange person to be honest. Hehe.

So, I didn’t hold back. Gene, the gent who I played against last time poppped in, and assisted me in teaching Dan. At one point I left myself open to the Kaya Spirit Door Assassination Trick without realizing it. Once I noticed, Me and Gene explained to Dan what I had done, and how Dan could possibly capitalize and win. This is when Dan learned the first true lesson of Warmahordes: Play like you got a Pair.

Dan did not go for it. Rather, he decided to play it safe. I went so far as to warn him that one way or another I was going to kill him next turn if he didn’t finish me off, and he didn’t seem to really believe me. So, when he went after my Axer and didn’t take him out, I took out his remaining Argus, Warpwolf, and Kaya was left standing facing a unused Impaler and Madrak. At that point he conceded. To be honest he seemed kind of bummed out, and rather then play me again I asked Gene if he could play, Seaforge Battlebox vs Circle. Gene obliged.

I went at this point to play against a Legion list. I really do not like Legion. I played against a list that had the following:

Searyn? Whatever that chick is, the twin.
2 Shedders
2 Angelius
1 Seraph
1 Cav Solo, the Nyss Sorceress

I of course used my Grim list that I detailed in my previous post. For those who don’t wanna look back however:

Grim Angus
KSB +1 (So 6 total)
2 Imaplers
1 Axer
Fel Caller

I knew that if I was going to win this I would have to be lucky. Now, this was the first time I ever played someone who was…how shall I put this? Cocky. He told me, flat out, that he was going to go for the Assassination. I knew about Flight and he told me that I would never see it coming. Yea…I am smarter then I look dude.

So first turn, I ran my champs up. Ran everyone up, took a shot and threw a couple of spears. He got into position. Second turn I ran my champs again, and next thing he knew I had my Champs about 6 inches away from his Caster. I could see the change right there in his expression, a change from “I am gonna win easy” to “Wait, this is not a good thing”

He still fly his guys over and attacked my beasts, and got his shredders into melee with my champs. As the fight went on he had to use more and more effort to kill things as I kept making tough rolls. Eventually however he got an Angelius back to Grim, and I had no one to transfer to and no safe haven. At that point I conceded, and shook his hand thanking him for a good game. He seemed kinda…distracted by that point. As if he could not believe he had so much trouble. I have to say, I took a kind of twisted amusement that I gave someone THAT much frustration :P

When I went back to Dan’s game, I found that Chris, one of our FLGS Skrone/Khador players helping Dan out. Chris is awesome. He is the man whose damn cats (Ferox) tore me up when I played my Darius list for the first time. So I turn to the Dan vs Gene and find taht Gene only lost 1 Gun Bunny, and still had 2 others and a Driller. Dan had 2 Argus, 1 that was near death, and of course Kaya, who had a SINGLE HIT POINT LEFT.

This time Dan went for the throat. He had already feated, and had been literally doing 1 point of damage per attack with his 2 Argus to Gorten. He finally charged Kaya in, and used up ALL her fury to bring Gorten to 3, but he had managed to knock Gorten down with a crit (Gorten had not used the anti knock down spell).

So we have 1 Argus left (the other had died the turn prior) Dan hits automatically, boosts damage on the first bite…does 1. His second attack? Boosts damage and does 2… exactly enough to kill Gorten.

Dan wins his second game, and was much happier. He said afterwards that he had learned alot and enjoyed the game. So while I might have sucked at teaching and I learned something, at least Dan seems to be enjoying himself. Overall, a win as far as I am concerned!

Introducing New Players

Hello everyone! So, today I am going to be showing a friend of mine how to actually play the game. If you remember from my Gorten vs Grim post, that game was actually played because a friend of mine named Dan wanted to see how the game was played. After thinking about it he decided he wanted to give it a shot. So, on Monday he went online and bought himself the Circle Orboros boxed set, with Kaya 2 Argus and the Warpwolf.

Today will be the first time he has ever actually played. Its gonna be at least 1 if not more games with our Battle Box contents, which means of course he is going to face Madrak, 2 Impalers and my Axer. I told him that I am going to go “easy” on him in a sense, as I will explain any moves I make if he asks. I am also going to let him take back his moves if he wants so he can learn.

I don’t want to pummel him into the ground for his first game, but at the same time I still want to pose a challenge and make him have the most fun he can have. He is a competitive person actually. Much more then me in fact. For example, he tends to enjoy PVP on games like WoW and Champions Online. I don’t.

So I wanted to ask you all: How do you introduce new players? Do you let them win their first games? How do you treat them on their first games?

I know I won my first game but I don’t feel like it was given to me either. I took a chance and won. The guy I was playing with also refused to use Sorcha’s feat, but that’s besides the point.

Today is gonna rock!

Rant: 3rd Ed D&D vs 4th Ed D&D

Ok so this is one of those times where the term “One Angry Gamer” will actually apply, because I am pissed off and over it. This rant is really springing from a small part of a conversation with a friend of mine this morning. If you read this girl, I am sorry but you just pushed me over the edge.

Basically I am referring to the divide that is apparent between 4th Edition D&D Players and 3rd Ed players. Basically the D&D community was split back when 4th Ed came out, and has not recovered. You have people on both sides of the fence bad mouthing the other game, stating various insults. Most of the insults I see however are from 3rd Ed players in regards to 4th Ed. Some of my personal favorites include:

“If I wanted to play WoW I would”
“D&D is not a video game and shouldn’t be like one!”
“4th Ed is too easy and its players are stupid and can’t take a challenge!”

Those are my personal favorites, but there are plenty others. So, to those 3rd Ed Diehards I have this to say:


I am sick of it! 4th Ed is a different game, and me, personally? I prefer it! As a DM and a player, I prefer 4th Ed. And here is why! The game firstly for me is more fun. Simple as that. No longer do I feel punished for playing a 1st level character. NO longer do I feel, if I play a spellcaster, useless at levels lower then 10. I can play what I want and generally have a good time and be effective.

As a DM the game itself is easier to plan. No more ECL and “What challenge rating is this when combined with this?!” and other such nonsense. For those who like that? Great, more power to ya! I don’t. I want to focus on crafting a great story and let the combat planning go smoothly. 4th Ed allows me this. If anyone has ever played 3rd Ed, you should know that the following usually apply:

Most people never start at 1st level. They usually start around 4th.
After about 12th level and prestige classes the spellcasters usually outclass the melee characters
Before 8th level the Melee characters outclass the spellcasters.

Now does that seem balanced? No, its really not. In 4th Ed each class has a more defined role, and you will excel in that roll unless you suck. I have been playing an Artificer, and he is doing very well in his role, that of a buffer/healer/leader. If I was playing a wizard or caster class in 3rd Ed at this level I would be able to go “Spell on the 1st turn, spell on the second turn, CROSSBOW FROM NOW ON!” Where the hell is the fun in that?! In fact, alot of people will play 3rd ed like this:

Have a fight, rest for 8 hours. Have another fight, rest another 8 hours.

Its called the 5 min workweek. Thankfully you don’t have to do that in 4th Ed. So you fuckers who love your 3rd ed cause you have to do that? GOOD JOB GUYS! YOU ARE SO REALISTIC YOU KNOW FIGHTING FOR 5 MINUTES THEM CAMPING OUT. WHOO HOO. As a DM I hated this, it made timed events and the like hard to plan, cause half the time the party would have to rest every 5 minutes and would run out of time.

Now there are a few things I admit I miss from 3rd Ed, and that is primarily the Skills. However, at the same time there were a MILLION skills (I am exaggerating), but people only used like 10. Who the hell really used Craft or Profession? I know I didn’t and no one I played with ever did in the 4 years I played 3rd Ed. And even then, a good DM can fudge a skill check and use an ability check for it. EXAMPLE! I have a Bard in my game. There is no perform skill. However, he wanted to be able to play his music for people and wanted to actually make it a check. So, I gave him the Perform skill as a trained skill. TADA. PROBLEM SOLVED OMG I ACTUALLY MADE SOMETHING UP IN A GAME OF MAKEBELIVE!

In the end I actually don’t harbor any ill will towards those who prefer 3rd Ed. But I am sick and tired of listening to them bash 4th. Keep your damn mouths shut and play your damn game.

Or hell, go play Pathfinder. Its the new version of 3rd Ed anyway.


Trollish Planning at its Finest!

Ok. After much thought and deliberation, I have decided on which Heavy beast I am going to go with. DRUM ROLL PLEASE!

And the winner is…

Mulg the Ancient!

Now I am sure some of you are going to ask why. Well its simple. I love the model. It really came down to what I wanted to see, not necessarily what was most effective. Truth be told I play to have fun first, and if I win great. There is just something about this big guy that draws me to him, and while playing him without Horluck may not be the most intelligent thing to do, by golly I am gonna do it. Besides, he just looks cool.

Now, I have an idea on what to do at 500 with Mulg using what I have. Here is what I was looking at:

Faction: Trollblood
Points: 498
Model Count: 16
Victory Points: 17

Grim Angus
Troll Impaler
Mulg The Ancient
Fell Caller
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes [6] (2 added)
> Stone Scribe Elder [1]
Trollkin Champions [5]

So in this case I am going to need 1 more Scribe, the Elder, and Mulg himself. Yea, I need 1 more Scribe. Go figure that I would be missing the second from the blister. Ehehehe.

I already do have plans to go to 750. This is what I was looking at for that point level:

Faction: Trollblood
Points: 750
Model Count: 23
Victory Points: 25

Grim Angus
Troll Impaler
Troll Impaler
Mulg The Ancient
Fell Caller
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes [4] (0 added)
> Stone Scribe Elder [1]
Trollkin Champions [5]
Trollkin Champions [5]
Trollkin Long Riders [3] (0 added)

For this I am going to need Mulg, The Elder, Long Riders, and a second unit of Champs. The basic idea is to do what Trolls do best. Slowly but surely walk up and put an Axe to your face. Both lists are based around that. I figure I can use Grim to give Cross Country in both lists to whomever needs it (The champs or Mulg in the first list, or the Champs, Mulg, or Long Riders in the second). Now once again this may not be the most perfect list, but it seems like a lot of fun to me and its probably something my opponents won’t expect.

Already I can see people looking at me like I am crazy, and then being amazed when I actually succeed. I know I will be.

Troll Heavies – Where to Start?

So I am going to get for my Trolls a heavy finally. There are, at least by my count, 4 different Heavy Beasts. I am basing all this on Battle College’s Trollblood Page so forgive me if I am not stating the right things.

Firstly we have the Dire Troll Mauler. A staple it seems of alot of forces, his animus Rage gives a trollblood model +3 STR for one turn. He also has a fury of 5 and a decent P+S Attack on his 2 fists, plus his chain attack. Snacking also seems like a decent way to keep him alive, but I have heard that he can be downed easily with focused fire.

Next, we have the Dire Troll Blitzer. His animus seems situational, and while he doesn’t have the chain attack he has a d3 Gun that can fire regardless of what the troll is doing. Run the troll, fire the gun. In Melee? Fire the gun, but at a target NOT in melee with the Troll. The range is meh, and so is the RAT, but the Impaler at least can boost the Ranger and I am not sure if the Fel Caller can boost the RAT (I don’t think it can).

Thirdly, we have the Alpha Beast, The Earthborn Dire Troll. He is slightly easier to hit but also has a better MAT then the standard Dire Troll, and his Animus is interesting. I hear alot about “double dipping” to get the KSB Armor Boost twice using his Animus. His special powers seem interesting on the surface, and since I have been enjoying Grim I could see a few combo’s with Grim and the EBDT. Also the Stealing of a Weapons POW can be devestating but I wish I knew more about how it worked.

Finally, we have the big daddy, the oldest of all the Dire Trolls….Mulg the Ancient. This guy is our character beast, and truth be told I love the look of him. He is so…angry and awesome. In fact, he is one of the first reasons I started looking into Trolls. This guy just screams BEAT FACE NOW! His animus is interesting, and his special Rune Breaker Scars are also interesting. He has reach, which is neat, but only 1 really powerful hit and then a secondary hit in the open fist. Since I am not running Doomshaper his affinity is moot, but Are you going to Eat That seems amazing. 4 inches of out of turn movement + regeneration? Sign me up man! That could be scary.

So here is where I stand. I want to get 1 single heavy for now. I am limiting my purchases to one item for Hordes a month, and for now I want a heavy. I just have no idea what to GO with. I have Grim and Madrak for my casters, so I want something that can support both of them. I am leaning towards either the standard Dire or the EBDT, but Mulg just looks so awesome. Of course, conversly, Mulg is the most expensive of the brutes. Comically enough I have a guy who wants to paint Mulg when I get him for free, so I do have that if I get Mulg hehe.

So I ask you all, the paragons of Warmahordes! Given my options which Heavy would YOU start with and why?